Brain Fart guitar layering

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Typo Szar
Member Since: Jul 04, 2002

I was wondering if they had an effect or plugin outhere that eliminated guitar layering...
I mean, everyone has to do it, and with all the millions of plugins for guitar ud think there was one that was called the LAYERER. The concept is pretty simple isn't it? They could just have an algorithm that duplicated the track several times, delayed it randomly at differnt parts, maybe added random irregularities and tone changes... wouldnt that save ppl tons of time?

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Since: Aug 17, 2004

Sep 21, 2006 06:15 am

If you could randomize a flanger you could do it...

'Apparently' the beatles engineer invented the flanger to eliminate the need for double tracking vocals.

I am not a crook's head
Since: Mar 14, 2003

Sep 21, 2006 10:12 am

The thing with layering instruments is that the minute little differences from performance to performance are what gives layered tracks their depth and thickness. To produce those little differences is entirely human, and I don't think that a plugin could achieve the same effect.

Sure, there are "humanizer" types of effects that introduce slight rhythmic and pitch anomalies but the sound of two or more tracks that have been performed and recorded seperately is just inimitable if you ask me.

Hold 'Em Czar
Since: Dec 30, 2004

Sep 21, 2006 10:40 am

setup a few busses with different delay times, and maybe a pitch shifter (gooin' down) on one or more....that's the workaround i'd do. or just copy and paste the track a few times and pitchshift offline, then nudge them over a bit (for time's sake) pan to taste.

just thinkin' out loud, but on the whole, i'm with tad, playin' it twice just sounds better.

Master of the Obvious?
Since: Jun 29, 2004

Sep 21, 2006 03:12 pm

As Tadpui said, it's really the minute performance differences that make the sounds thicker. For the most part, no matter what you do, copying a track and throwing effects at it won't give you the same effect. It's the same reason a full orchestra with all of those violins and whatnot just sounds so FULL!

Typo Szar
Since: Jul 04, 2002

Sep 22, 2006 01:44 am

Dont get me wrong guys, i like the sound of double tracking as well, and i dont want a plugin that does it. But i just thought it was weird that with all the guitar software out there, there isnt one that boasts such a function, being that it is so integral to recording guitar. I mean, Line 6 has a gazillion amp models, mic models, modes, effects A.I.R even. No knob on there that says "2 layers, 3 layers, 4 layers".

Master of the Obvious?
Since: Jun 29, 2004

Sep 22, 2006 10:45 am

And we're saying it's because you can't simulate different takes! :)
Since: Feb 07, 2005

Sep 22, 2006 01:54 pm

Well this might be true that nothing out there (yet) will replace a true double track I can certainly see it happening sometime. All it would have to do is add some randomness to the attack/velocity/looseness and there ya go. Done deal. If BFD can be adjusted in such a way then I'm sure that a VST could be built along the same lines.

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