only recordng right channel in delta44

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Member Since: Mar 12, 2005

Hello all, I am currnetly recording using my delta44 cakewalk guitar pro2 and a beringer 802 mixer, the quality is ok (great) however, I notice that I can only record and hear other tracks while not bleeding onto other track when I arm a track and only use the right channel at the bottom. When I select S (sterro) I get the other tracks as bleeding into the recording track. I would like to use the sterreo track without any bleeding. for now I have been using the Right channel for recording but its quite anoying to look at. My setup from the mixer is 1/2 in to aux in and 3/4 outs as sends. I have check the audio config in cakewalk and using 1/2 for in and 3/4 for outs. corn-fused a lil.

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Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jul 08, 2006 05:36 pm

How do you have th outputs from the Delta hooked up? Also, do you have the what you hear button checked in the windows sound control panel? That will cause a feedback loop as well.

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Since: Mar 12, 2005


Jul 09, 2006 02:19 am

thnks for the reply, I can not access the "what u hear " in the control pannel, it is grayed out, I thought the Delta44 overides that feature? Humm. my outs from Dleta 1/2 are feeding back into the aux returns. Everything works fine with the balnace and levels I could hear what im playing and record on other tracks. Just that I could only arm the right channel for recording with out bleeding of the other tracks. i have tried several seeting in GTP2 but it only mute's the sound. One other thing I notice, I can not play any wave files using the Delta current setting when I create a wave file in GTP2.
Any ideas as to what I can do. Thnaks

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jul 09, 2006 03:10 pm

OK, lets run through the way your Delta control panel shoudl be set up.

Moniter Mixer tab, Master level should be set approx. -1.0.
WavOut 1/2 and 3/4 should be set full up, as well H/W 1/2 and 3/4 should be all the way as well. I usually click the Stereo Link button to keep them together.

Patchbay/Router tab, H/W Out 1/2 and 3/4 should have the WavOut 1/2 and WavOut 3/4 selected respectively.

Hardware Settings tab, Master Clock is set to Internal Xtal. Codec Sample Rate is set to 44,100. MultiTrack Driver Devices is set to Single and In Sync. Variable Singal Levels is set to +4dBu accross all. DMA Buffer size can be 128 or 256 depending upon if you get any pops and clicks on playback, 128 if no pops and 256 if you get pops at 128. ASIO Options should be checked to Disable audio app use of Moniter Mixer.

Try those settings and se if it helps.

As for the way you have the 802 hooked up, that may be what is causing the problem. If you are recording the main outputs of the 802 into the ins of the Delta then it will of course be sending the Aux return signal right out the mains outs as well. Are you using the singal back to the 802 so you can use the headphones or are you going to moniters of some sort?

I am pretty sure that is what part of the problem is. As for only heainr the right channel playback, that is probalby becausse you are only arming on input of the Delta in GTP2.

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Since: Mar 12, 2005


Jul 11, 2006 12:03 pm

thnks for reply. Everything is connected per your instructions with the exception of Varible single Levels: 1st is set to -4dBu, the others are set to -10dBu.
My DMA is currently set to 512...humm. I dont get any pops or cracks. schould I change it?
802 is connected per instructions of Behringer diagram. 1/2 ins connect to Aux Sends
1/2 outs connedt to Sterreo Aux Sends.
I am leaning towards cakewalk driver set up at this point in time. Somewhere in there is causing the muxup.
One more concern ( on me behalf) I forgot how to get to the "What you Hear" option. I thought it was in the recording section in sound\audio\properties. I am not able to located the darn tap. where is it\..how can I get to it.

we prefer "percussionist"
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Since: Jul 21, 2004


Jul 11, 2006 05:59 pm

I'm not sure I'm inagining your set-up correctly, but it sounds like a simple panning issue to me. The aux sends on your mixer are sending stereo signals out (aux 1 left, aux 2 right), the inputs on the delta basically act as a stereo pair (1 left, 2 right), so anything panned to the center of your mixer will show up on both channels. If you want to record only one instrument, pan it hard left and arm the delta input 1/2. Anything you don't want to record, but want to listen to while recording (guide tracks), pan hard right. That will seperate the sounds and prevent doubling. Anything panned center will send half it's signal to the left channel, and will show up in your new recording. It sounds weird when you're doing it (live sound in one ear, playback in the other), but that's the nature of the set-up. That's one reason I like using Mackie mixers - the mute/alt 3-4 combo buss lets you hear playback in stereo while recording , since you're sending signals to different outs.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jul 11, 2006 10:13 pm

Well the Behringer 802 only has a mono FX send on it. It is not stereo so that may be a major part of the problem there.

I should ask also how your monitering, headphones, nearfield moniters, computer speakers??

First off change your Variable signal levels to what I stated. Then indeed chagne your DAM setting to 256 and try that.

As for connecting the 802, it is not really meant for multi tracking but you can work around it if you have the means.

Acouple of options would be to use your main outs to go to the Delta 1/2 inputs. Then take the Delta 1/2 outputs and go directly to speakers or moniters. You really cant send the Delta outputs back into the 802 as no matter where you plug them in you will end up with them going back into your mix.

Otherwise you are kind of stuck using just a mono output which would be the FX send going into either the Delta input 1 or 2. Then you can still send the Delta outputs 1/2 back into the 802 on say the line in 3/4 and moniter the whole thing from your headphone out on the 802. But remember you cannot turn the FX send knob up on the Line In 3/4 channel or you will send that back into the Delta's input.

Then if you are gong to record a mono signal using the FX send form the 802, once it is recorded into the GTP 2 software simply pan the recorded track to center and you will hear it on both the right and left sides of your headphones.

we prefer "percussionist"
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Since: Jul 21, 2004


Jul 13, 2006 06:57 pm

Oh yeah, I forgot about the mono send - it always throws me having one out and then 2 returns! Now I remember why I never use mine for recording!

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Since: Jul 07, 2006


Aug 08, 2006 07:40 pm

I have an 802 and a Delta 44...

Although, I'm currently using a different mixer for recording.

What ought to work is connecting the "TAPE OUT" on the 802 to the Delta's IN's, and the Delta's OUT's to the "TAPE IN" on the 802.

Then, you click the "TAPE TO CONTROL ROOM" on - which should enable the Delta's out on the headphone/control room outs on the 802.. but click "TAPE TO MAIN MIX" off - which will disable the Delta's output going back into it's input.

I have not tested that though.

G'luck.

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Since: Mar 12, 2005


Aug 13, 2006 01:19 am

thanks
Figured it out, was the setting in delta which I have changed, now its working just the way I wanted. I also check the setting in cakewalk application and all is well.

thanks all for your input.


Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Aug 13, 2006 11:38 am

Your welcome. Glad you got it worked out.

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