Posted on May 15, 2006 08:55 am Hue Pinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member Since: Apr 11, 2004
Have any of you guys seen this ?
I'm sure it's a bit of a hot topic and I'm not looking to piss anyone off, but reguardless of that, the video(long-120min+) does pose some interesting arguments as well as being put together rather nicely .
I must admit, there are too many "hmmmms..." in it for me to write off completely as a politcal manuver, though I'm still one to hope none of this is true... that would be even more terrible than what we have percived to have happened .
Anyway, just thought I'd share and see if any of you intelligent, and insightful folks would care to discuss this a bit . : )
Well, I just listened to the beginning, I plan to listen to the rest when I can. it is interesting, much of it I have heard before, some I have not.
One thing I do know, is that hindsight is always 20/20. One can always look backwards and put pieces together. I don't think loads of put options on a stock is that unusual, that also happens before earnings releases, press release rumors and other such things.
The parts about Osama being catered to is of some concern tho. Can't wait to hear the rest...I think I will download that and put it on DVD to share with some people.
Hue Pinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member Since: Apr 11, 2004
May 15, 2006 09:40 am
Yeah, there are deffinately alot of interesting points made . The physics involved alone, are pretty mind bogling, not to mention all the tell tale signs that something was afoot, well prior .
heh Funny how when you want to review something on the net at work, all hell breaks loose at work . Looks as though it's going to be one of those Mondays... I'll have to return later on .
Well, don't take it all as gospel truth, everything has a slant from the perspective of the author...it is interesting though, I'll say that for it.
Hue Pinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member Since: Apr 11, 2004
May 15, 2006 11:30 am
It's true that hindsight can be 20/20, and also that perspective can dictate certain viewpoints . The thing that gets me about something like this, is the facts involved . Alot of the major points that are discussed, and interviews I had seen the day of the attacks and those days following, and I just wasn't able to piece anything like this together from it out of pure disbelief that anything like this could/would be perpetrated by our own government .
Now that the initial shock has passed(somewhat), and looking at where our country has ended up after all of this, I can't help but feel sick inside at the notion that this is self-inflicted... or if it isn't, there's that same uneasy feeling of needing all of these questions to be answered by our government, if for any reason than to dispell all of these 'facts' related to the event .
It does pose a damn good argument, that's for sure JH .
Hue Pinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member Since: Apr 11, 2004
Well no, obviously the US as a whole isn't to blame... just like Iraq as a whole or Afghanastan as a whole isn't to blame for.... wait what is it we're after them for again?
Afghanistan I think was a necessary move personally, if, the story is as we have been told...iraq, well, regardless of motives, agendas, lies or whatever, I am still glad Saddam is in jail, out of power and facing trial (such as it is) by the Iraqi people. That said, if Bush knowingly and willingly lied to the American people about the WMD he should be impeached...knowingly and willingly being the keywords...thats the fine line, was he misinformed and had bad intelligence, or did he make a calculated decision to deceive us...
That said, there are black clouds over all of it as to whats true and what isn't.
this man thinks there is still a conspiracy, so just ignore that. look at how he rips loose change a new one. (also think about what it would mean if his idea of a conspiracy were true: neverending rabbithole of complicity).
for those who doubt the motivations of al quaeda, and use the argument 'who had more to gain?' i recommend reading this article carefully:
while realizing that all of that information on Qutb is freely available in libraries worldwide. this new york times magazine piece is basically devoid of opinion, so you can take it to the bank
and please, if anyone wants to challenge me on that, pleas please please pepper your words with little smiley faces and stars, ok? i have a tendency to go off the deep end when it comes to conspiracy theories, and i will really have to watch myself if this conversation evolves, and i will probably have to willfully escort myself out the door at some point.
i highly recommend this book, for the way it makes you think twice about the thought processes behind conspiracy theories:
Quote: and please, if anyone wants to challenge me on that, pleas please please pepper your words with little smiley faces and stars, ok?
hehehe, nice pre-emptive strike there, homie :-)
Hue Pinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member Since: Apr 11, 2004
May 15, 2006 05:06 pm
Really fortymile, I don't think anyone could be called a 'loose change fan', even if they did subscribe to the idea of a conspiracy theory . It's good... but not that good . : p
Quote: (also think about what it would mean if his idea of a conspiracy were true: neverending rabbithole of complicity).
That's the one reason I have a problem with the loose change video . It opens up more cans of worms than this world can explain . Way too many deep-ended 'whys' .
Hue Pinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member Since: Apr 11, 2004
May 15, 2006 05:11 pm
That Carl Sagan looks very interesting indeed .
Noize2u Czar of Midi Administrator Since: Apr 04, 2002
May 16, 2006 08:48 pm
I was lucky enough to attend 2 lectures by Sagan in the 70's. And yes, I did find him very interesting. Good points as well as bad I suppose. But he was Carl Sagan. I used to read everything he wrote for Popular Science magazine.
Hue Pinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member Since: Apr 11, 2004
May 16, 2006 10:06 pm
The site explains that the book...
Quote: ...provides a "baloney detection kit" for thinking through political, social, religious, and other issues.
I think I need to read this .
Noize2u Czar of Midi Administrator Since: Apr 04, 2002
May 17, 2006 08:49 pm
The book is a good one. Kind of opened my eyes a bit. Not that there isnt some stuff that is over the top in it though, because there definately is. But it is a good read anyway.
But ya, the Baloney Detection Kit was worth more then a few laughs, and I think should be taken seriously by some.
Soundmind?? ?cixelsid I mA Member Since: Jul 30, 2005
May 29, 2006 12:42 pm
Yeah...we shouldn't ever get involved with anyone outside our borders for the sake of freedom, human rights, hunger, natural disasters, or anything else. Every government, no matter how cruel, inhumane, or how they came into power, is sovereign and no foreigner has the right to interfere. Lets shut down the U.N. which is completely disfunctionate anyhow, and mind our own business. Don't we all wish the good ol' USA had applied this priciple throughout history?
I'm sure the world would live in peace and prosperity.
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