Nov 05, 2002 01:37 am I dig Tom Petty so I read it. Dude really has some strong opinions, but he's absolutely right. It's great to hear the ol' man still has spunk. I definitely plan on picking up "The Last DJ" -j
a lot of respect for tom petty
Posted on Nov 05, 2002 12:55 am
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that article is amazing. i already liked/respected his music. now i respect him as a person. i think he made a whole lot of valid points in there.
whats everyone else think about this?
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Nov 05, 2002 01:37 am I dig Tom Petty so I read it. Dude really has some strong opinions, but he's absolutely right. It's great to hear the ol' man still has spunk. I definitely plan on picking up "The Last DJ" -j
Nov 05, 2002 05:26 am I have always dug Petty since his first release. Unique and clean, very cool stuff. Thanks for the link, that is a GREAT article.
Nov 05, 2002 09:09 pm I have alway's respected the man, he has alway's said what he meant, and never regreted anything he has done musicaly or in life. He speaks the truth about the music biz and that pisses them all off. I know 4 of the station's in the cities here have decided not to play thta track because of the way it make's the corperate station's look. And from what I understand, one of the DJ's who has worked in this state since I was a child quit because of it. So he is making a strong a truthfull statement about the music biz. Most of the thing's he talk's about are the reason's I quit playing live, and trying to sell my music.
Nov 06, 2002 01:36 pm thankyou tom petty for speaking the truth.. I haven't listened to the radio for a long long time, commercial manufactured music deserved to be sent back to the factory.
Nov 06, 2002 01:41 pm I kinda chuckly when I hear "commerically manufactured"...what exactly is it? Generally people think it is anythingin the pop market, though it's not always the case...since some folks actually write that music and feel it just the way we enjoy writing and feel our music style of choice...I find it odd that most people seem to think any music that is outside of the style they listen to is somehow "fake" or less worthy of artistry than their style.
I dunno, just my thoughts, I listen to the radio every day and thoroughly enjoy it.
Nov 06, 2002 02:04 pm ah db.. *shakes head*. i havent been able to listen to radio in about 4 years. my radio stations here are exact clones of whats being played on mtv, which i couldnt care less about. i only hope your station selection is better than mine. =)
i can respect an artist (of any genre) if they play and write their own songs, but i have a very hard time respecting someone who is simply singing/playing someone elses music. i may not like their style or may not think too highly of the quality of their music, but i can entirely respect that they are trying to write music that they get satisfaction out of.
i also have a problem with manufactured groups. groups created by the labels to perform a certain type of material. this is unfortunately what has happened recently in the pop market and has had a lot of success for the labels. i wouldve liked to have seen all of their attempts die before they got off the ground and seen the whole idea of manufacturing bands shelved indefinitely.
i realize that it has most likely happened in the past in other genres, but it is not as rampant as it is in pop music. what is even worse are the bands that were not formulated by the labels and were someone elses bad idea heh. simply jumping on the bandwagon of whats popular. a lot of the nu-metal and new rock (new-ish at this point) groups have sounds and styles that are almost identical to each other. where is the satisfaction in doing something that someone else is currently doing? it makes everyone involved look unoriginal and begins a whole large debate of who was the 'originator' of that style. all of it worthless bickering. and it does nothing to further the evolution of any music genre. the only thing that it does accomplish is to line the pockets of a major label and further push more of this bs music off on the masses.
ive sorta gone off on a long rant. so disregard what you like =) but im sure ill post more to this when i get back from work.
Nov 06, 2002 02:34 pm Oh, I agree to a certain extent that there surely are fabricated bands, one "boy band" hits the charts everyone tries to assemble one, thats business I guess...it's lame, but it happens.
As far as peoplethat sing other folks tunes, yes, I agree as well to a certain extent, but some people have some talents and others have other talents. Chistina Aguilera can sing (and be easy on the eyes:-) that is her gift, she has an outrageous voice, but, songwriting is not her gift (I think) so why should people not be allowed to hear her wonderful voice just cuz she can't write. Lots of people write music cuz they can't sing (that would be me). Should my music not be heard unless I can sing them, that seems unfair? From there we could get into the marketing of Christina which disgusts me, but I digress, at least she can actually sing unlike many in her genre like Brittney...
For a long time Roy Orbison wrote songs for other folks cuz he couldn't sing well and he was funny looking, but he still worte great tunes that I am very glad somebody sang...
just food for thought. No school of thought is correct all the time. It's art, nothing more, nothing less. I agree the "business" part blows...
Nov 06, 2002 02:39 pm Agreed. The "manufactured" groups as you've put are a disgrace to the true purpose of music. And when I say purpose I realize that music means something different to everyone, but the diffinition's rather open since science really has no idea what music is. I feel that music is a form of emotional communication much the way written and spoken word conveys mental images. But these fake groups don't have the synergy of a self-chosen line up and it shows. There's nothing there to be felt. Sometimes there's not much to be heard either. When we see the band being chosen or voted for right before our eyes on TV it's obvious it's all about the money, and the worst part is kids are buying it, literally and figurativly. Simple people buy whatever's thrown at them with no thought about if it's what they really want or not.
support your local underground scene.
Nov 06, 2002 04:37 pm when I wrote "commercial manufactured music" I meant the kind of music that record companies make to get a quick fix of money. As piracy is becoming more and more apparant, they are having to create "one-hit-wonder" artists, with an instantly likeable song for the mainstream listeners. Another thing that gets me worked up is when marketing becomes more important than the actual music itself, and an album with a good marketing plan does better than an album with good music....don't drink from the mainstream....it corrupt the musical taste of children from young ages, and before you know it they are britney wannabees...I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST POP!... when its good, its great!!
Nov 07, 2002 12:20 pm Somebody is going to make a business out of everything. That is the beauty of capitalism. If you don't like something, don't buy it, don't support. I refuse to get into the "artsy-fartsy" mentality of "it's all about the music, man" and discounting somebody because by their estimation it is "fabricated music" when, in fact somebody was sitting at their instrument of choice and still took the time and effort to write that song.
Let me ask you this just for yuks:
We all pretty much agree that the fabrication sucks, but how knows what is and what isn't, some are obvious, some are not...whatever. We don't support what we feel is phony.
What about the guys that right great music, from the heart. For the sake of example I will use the very easrly Guns and Roses. Appetite for Destruction, in my opinion was and still is one of my all time favorite albums (they went downhill from there, but whatever) yet, the guys, as real as their music may have been, Axel Rose still turned out to be a total *******, and somebody I would personal enjoy kicking the **** out of. So, in my opinion he is far less worthy of support than any allegedly phony band...why? Because he is simply a bad person.
What's anybody's opinion on that?
And someone referenced bands that are "assembled"...isn't every band? Don't you take auditions and pick the person that best fits your bands sound, look and style? Why is it so much more horrible becasue actual professional do the assembling? I have assembled bands for myself, if I could get Paula Abdul to help me as a professional (and a hottie) I would value the input.
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Please realize that I am saying a lot of this just to get people reactions, to see what people think NOT saying I agree with everything coming from my keyboard or trying to pick a fight.
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Nov 07, 2002 04:56 pm Yes, I guess even in the long run. The guy who wrote the song, be it pop or whatever, just to get it on the radio is still a craftsman. It take's a lot to be able to create something and give it or sell it, and usually it is sold for little or nothing. I spent many of my early day's writing song's and selling them cheaply just to be able to do it. Thinking back now, I wish I had never done it. It is no big secret that a lot of pop artist's couldn't write a song, let alone play an instrument to save their life. But that doesnt' mean that they don't put something of themselve's into it. But there are also the band's that come and go, all to quickly as the taste of the day is changed by the corperate control of the music industry. And that is what really tick's me off. I have and will alway's listen with an open mind, that is what keep's me thinking fresh. But on the other hand, I will not go out and buy a CD just becuase it is on the radio and everybody think's it is the koolest right now. What we need are more independant station's that are willing to take the risk and play whatever the hell they want. We have a couple up here but they are very tiny and weak signaled, so you have to be in the city to hear it. But if the community could get it together and help fund the station, like public radio, then maybe they could afford to add some power to their broadcast and get it out to the masse's.
Well that's enough for now, chew on it and spit it out cuase it won't taste very good without ketchup.
Nov 07, 2002 05:11 pm Also, nobody ever said that any given song was written only for radio play. Couldn't somebody have written it, shopped it around and some guy in the biz said "hey, that song is perfect for [enter artist name here]"?
Seems to me thereis a lot of assumptions going on in this thread :-)
Nov 07, 2002 09:42 pm Yes, they could have and I am sure it happen's that way all the time. How do ya think I got the dumb Bud commercial's. Someone heard a tune and went looking for the guy that did it. And it was me, lucky some day's, not so lucky on other's. And so yes, there are guy's hangin out in almost every bar, lookin for that one tune to make them rich, and maybe make the band some money too.
Nov 07, 2002 10:14 pm the only manufactured ones that bother me are the obvious ones. the others.. well i may not like them but at least theyre trying to be real with it heh.
as for the gnr issue (i love that band btw hehe).. i will support someone with talent anyday, regardless of their personal behavior. they may not be a decent person or a role model by any means but they write music that i appreciate. and thats what it comes down to.
Nov 08, 2002 05:00 am Quote:
um... i like Tom Petty..
Bwahahaha, staying out of the fire, eh?
I see where everyone is coming from, and honestly don't have probs with any one. Different strokes for different folks. I do tend to lean, not intentionally, to the person they are. After those stories broke about Axel attacking fans, beating girlfriends up and stuff like that I just for some reason quit caring, I dunno, I guess it's just my nature. Of course their music was sucking by then as well, so that may have made it easier.
But at the same time I don't really listen for fabrication, cuz it sounds different for everyone. Someone at the forum a long time ago said that they thought Creed sounded fabricated, I disagree...why? Because I relate to that Scott Stape in a way that maybe that person doesn't, having walked in his shoes (or very parallel roads anyway) and perhaps that person didn't. To me, fabrication is much easier to see than hear. If I hear a good song, it's a good song regardless of motivation.
That kinda flies along with the very tired Sold Out phrase. Almost every band that hits it big at some point is accused of selling out. Why, because somebody discovered them? It happened to Metalica with their black album, even ZZ Top was accused of it with their Eliminator release. Generally what I have found is the major difference is not the songs, but the sound of album from this stage of a bands career. They finally decide to hire a real producer to give it that professional edge and polish, then they get accused of selling out.
It cracks me up. some folks just put too much thought into some things. Quite often it's the people that know the least about the business.
Noize...Bud commercials??? I never heard that story before...time for some beers.
Nov 08, 2002 05:31 am you know, i've come to understand this selling out thing and i feel it stems from an individual's inability to change and appreciate a multitude things.
I recogize that some of the greatest bands ever had many changes in their sound throughout their career. Let's take the Beatles for instance, a decidedly and inarguably excellent band, even if you dont like theri music, you cant denied that they'd make a huge impact on music. Think of the Beatles early pop sounds with tracks like "i wanna hold your hand" etc. i bet alot of the fans of those early songs were a little dissapointed by the time the band was as experimental to release "yellow submarine" and "tomorrow never knows". but who's to say that those psychodelic wonders were any less great as the hits that got them recognized here in the states? im sure there's alot of Beatles fans out there like myself who can't really get into alot of the older 1964 style Beatles.
As I expand myself I expand my interrests. These days I think I love just about any kind of music. There is no "good" genres or "bad" genres, just honest music and dishonest music. -j
Nov 08, 2002 04:51 pm there's some neat stuff on this site
Nov 08, 2002 05:35 pm And just to spread some new's.
Axel Rose didn't show up at the first show in NY and geuss what. It cuased a riot, that guy has ahead as big as Gibralter.
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