Recording Destroy By Design, and Adrenaline Theory this Saturday !

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Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
Member Since: Apr 11, 2004

This is just a bit odd, because I had absolutely nothing to do with them playing at this particular venue, which is just a few miles from my residence . I met Jason, DBDs drummer, last January when I took a road trip to Florida, and had the opportunity to jam with him and WYD in Nashville . Now I come to find out through WYD that they'll be playing TNTs, a bar that caters to some of the local talent . Soooo, I've decided to repay their Southern hospitality, with some Norther hospitality, and record their gig for 'em . WYD and I talked about the best way to go about this using the equipment that I have available last night, and I just thought I'd probe your collective minds as well to be sure that I'm not missing something along the way... I want to give them the best recording that I can offer, so they can go home with a nice 'Live From Detroit' CD . : )

Here's the stats...

- 4 man band: guit, bass, drums, vox .
- 6 soundcard inputs .
- Any/all of my equipment that will get 'er done .

Some of what we dicussed last night is the posability of not being able to run a direct-out of the house board for the singers track(or any other of the instruments for that matter), and the lack of being able to stuff another mic in the singers hand in order to get a decent signal . I'm hoping that the house board will have direct outs, but I won't know until the day of the gig . Micing the instruments is easy enough... it's the singer I'm mainly concerned with on this .

The ideal situation would be a mono track for guitar, bass, and vox, and a sterio mix for the drums consisting of a few mics... all together taking up four tracks of Sonar... then a sterio mix of the house board would take up another, and a crowd-mic making six . I'd like a contingency plan(if possible) to contend with the house board not having any direct outs to employ... especially on the vox . Also, any input on what mics out of my arsenal might be better than others for the jobs they'll be doing might be helpfull .

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Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Apr 20, 2006 04:17 pm

i'd keep an eye out on the house board, there's no point in using up two tracks (stereo out of the board) if everything is panned dead center (which i bet it'll be) if anything should be stereo, it'd be, well obviously the drum overheads, but also perhaps a stereo 'room' mic setup, for that authentic "i was there" feel....so yeah with six inputs here's what i'd do...

bass direct from bass amp
two drum overheads
kick
guitar
and room

wait a sec...umm vocals ok better yet one overhead for the drums and one direct out (via insert jack on house board) for vox...


geez i donno try to pull everything you can outta the board.

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Apr 20, 2006 04:43 pm

I'm just gon'na have to go down there tonight, and find out what they offer... maybe talk to the 'sound guy' if they're around, and check out their mixer .

There's also the chance that they want the bass's direct signal to be used for the show, so...

My real concern is the vox . If there's no direct/sub/aux available, things could get weird . What are the chances of all those outs being takedn up ? Then again...

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Apr 20, 2006 06:21 pm

Y'a know, I think I just have a case of the pre-gig jitters . Everythings going to be just fine... direct-outs from the house board for everything we'll need, I'll bet .

1.Bass(mono)-d/i from house or mic'd cab
2.Guitar(mono)- mic'd cab, or from house
3.Vocal(mono)- d/i from house
4.Drums (mono)- mix of two overheads, OR if they're all mic'd by the house, I'll pull the full kit out of the house board .
5.Kick
6.Ambient

Piece of cake .


I'm still going down there tonight . ; )

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Apr 21, 2006 04:15 pm

I went down there last night . We'll have 8 sub-outs to work from .

Hold 'Em Czar
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Apr 21, 2006 06:00 pm

ROCK!!!

Czar of Midi
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Apr 21, 2006 09:11 pm

Just make sure the FOH enginer has them assinged and on when you hook up. IF he accidently unlatches one you will loose that track. I speak from experiance.

And its good to get subouts as well. Then you can get a better level set right off the get go.

Good luck dude,

Noize

Czar of Midi
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Apr 23, 2006 08:48 pm

Well, its Sunday night. How did it go Hue???

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Apr 23, 2006 10:06 pm

Get yo red-hot live DBD...

www.homerecordingconnecti...ic&id=1136#

Awesome bands... nice people too !

The recording process went something like this...
-Show up an hour early, unload stuff, eat dinner .
-Sound man shows up, plugs snake into expected subouts... none work .
-Politely reduced to 4 Aux sends... the order of which were :
1=Kick'Snare
2=Overhead
3=Guitar AND Bass
4=Vox (BUT since the second vox mic was directly in front of the bass cab, it picked up alot of it, and hardly any vocals.)

(sigh) I did what I could . 'Spent hours today digging the vox and guitar out of the sonic soup .





Hold 'Em Czar
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Apr 24, 2006 12:56 pm

doh!! i have no speakers on this computer!!! i gotta take it home i guess....glad ya had fun man.

chris

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Apr 24, 2006 04:26 pm

Enabled download .

T'was mint !


I'll have more to come soon... ATs stuff didn't fair as well, but I haven't given up hope .

The compy at work needs a new drive, so I wont be up here again 'til 9 or 10 tonight .

heh, Here's a 'lil video of the concert ...

vids.myspace.com/index.cf...0A2AA2A14026944

~Hue

Czar of Midi
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Apr 24, 2006 06:43 pm

Nice lil' bit o video there Hue.

I'll have to listen to the other tune a bit later. Heading out right at the moment.

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Apr 24, 2006 07:02 pm

Cool, and thanx . I'll have some other chunks of the show up later as well .


Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Apr 24, 2006 11:16 pm

Got another done... one of my favorites of the lot . It's called Hollow . I think I got a little closer to ok with this one as the drums sound a bit better... but there's a 60-cycle that pops up at certain intervals... yuck . It didn't happen through all his selections, and I'm not sure if it was pickup, or preamp selection that would draw it out, but...

'Still a kickass song .

Czar of Midi
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Apr 25, 2006 08:27 pm

Not too bad for the feed you got really. Vox are little muffled on Hollow, but still there. The guitar, bass and drums turned out really good.

Sonic soup, I used to use that term all the time. It still make me laugh. You can definately here the live bar sound in it. Pretty dang good with what you had to work with.

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Apr 25, 2006 11:47 pm

After these sessions, I have a new found respect for the dynamics in Sonar . : )

Police State, and Unseen are now up there... the last two I'm going to post from the show .

Thanks for listening Noize, and thanks for noticing the effort involved in getting a signal like that to jive . It was a good learning experience, and the bands music has grown on me, so it ends up being an honor as well . Win-win-win .

I got'ta mention this tid-bit... While I was looking at the vox signal being formed in Sonar while recording, I noticed that it was way-small compared to the others, but the front-end levels were just below clipping . I mention the phenomena to the 'sound-guy', who walks over to see . THEN, while looking at the wave himself, he reaches over and cranks the channel, clipping the hell out of the front signal... and then walks away saying "there y'a go..." . I stop him and point to all the red on the Behri . He freaks out, yelling "Make it stop !" I just gave him a look, and turned it down... song ruined . Thanks soundguy !

~Hue

Czar of Midi
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Apr 26, 2006 08:41 pm

Gonna make Police State downloadable?

Again, same commments as before. You got a good sound with the feed you had. I dont know if it is possible to straighten the vocal parts out or not. But ya got it intelabable at least. The guitars sound pretty dang good to me, as do the drums and bass.

Unseen sound pretty good, I like the guitar intro, really nice sound.

Good stuff Hue, thanx for sharing.

Noize

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Apr 26, 2006 10:32 pm

Police State is no in a downloadable state . Glad you dug it, thanks for listenin' . : )

Unseen is really a cool song . I think it's the only one with a guitar solo in it .(?)

I wonder... has there been many HRC members that have had the chance to record the same band as another fellow member ?

Czar of Midi
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Apr 27, 2006 10:08 pm

I dont know, it would be interesting to see though.

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