The beautiful reauthorized Patriot Act
Mar 27, 2006 04:46 pm Yeah, and?
Mar 27, 2006 05:32 pm "he included an addendum saying that he did not feel obliged to obey requirements that he inform Congress about how the FBI was using the act's expanded police powers." Its crap
Mar 27, 2006 05:51 pm Yeah, well so are terrorists communicating with our our communications systems, stupid liberal political BS and lack of communication between law enforcement agencies stops them from being found, watched and stopped.
I for one couldn't care less if my calls are listened to and emails are read, and actually, I assume they are.
Mar 27, 2006 06:44 pm Hey If I have a choice between them listening to my phone calls and another 9/11, I'll record my phone calls for them.
Mar 27, 2006 07:38 pm NEVER will I willingly give up my freedoms for a false sense of security. You are going to die anyway, why die under a facist regime when you can do something to prevent it? Unbelievable...
Mar 27, 2006 09:27 pm Never has been a "right" to privacy...why die under a terrorist attack if you can to something to prevent it?
Mar 27, 2006 11:13 pm I know that I should just let this go but what really burns me is everyone talking about their personal privacy. How is ones personal privacy more important than anothers life. Add to that this, they are not listening in on you. They are trying to listen in on known or suspected terrorist. Even if they did want to take a listen to see what I was up to, so what, I have nothing to hide.
Mar 27, 2006 11:28 pm The whole privacy thing is a different topic. Im talking about Bush and his addendum, basically not having to answer to anybody. Its completely ridiculous. And i love the old Red Scare with a new twist. Its crap.
If anybody gets a chance look up some info on PNAC and all who are affiliated
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Mar 28, 2006 07:02 am of course the main difference is communists never really showed much interest in killing americans.
Since: May 11, 2002
Mar 28, 2006 02:27 pm I've learned not to argue with conservatives or christians that I still want to have some kind of positive interaction with, so I won't. I will point out a couple of things, then drop it.
Just know that I will fight against the tyranny of our(and anyone elses) government until the day I die. My life and music are a reflection of my convictions.
Anyway, one comment for Diemusik: it's not about privacy...if you let them take one freedom away from you without fighting, they will assume you won't fight for ANY of them.
one comment for Db: look up the following-
-Amendment IX and X
no mention of the word privacy, but that is where it comes from; by the way, there is no mention of marriage in the constitution either, but I'm sure you consider that a right
-Griswold v. Connecticut
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Mar 28, 2006 06:14 pm marrage falls under Amendment I... and pastors can refuse to marry couples... I've seen it happen a couple times. :)
Since: May 11, 2002
Marrage is a Sacrament... not a Right.
Mar 28, 2006 07:08 pm IMO..... The men who wrote the Constitution where brilliant. The men who wrote the Patriot Act where idiots. It was done with a very broad stroke of the brush. It is without limitations and boundaries. 9/11 was horrendous, and only Terrorist want to see it repeated. However, I don't feel burning the Constitution was the correct answer to the problem. I would be more than willing to make some concesions and sacrafice SOME civil liberties. However, The Patriot Act is WAY beyond that. It sure feels a lot like tyranny.
Mar 28, 2006 08:40 pm zek -
Marriage is only a sacrament if you are a religious person. Two atheists can marry. Marriage is(in a way) a legally binding contract and therefore subject to government sanction; no matter what your religious affiliation(or lack thereof.)
Now, how would you like it if the government said you cannot get married because it is not a protected right. Just like privacy, marriage is not by word in the constitution, but that doesn't mean it is not protected by that document...just like privacy.
1st ammendment - marriage
9th/10th ammendment - privacy
The constitution was written by brilliant men who knew that there had to be some area for interpretation. Many of our laws come from interpretation of, and not a direct reading of the document.
Privacy IS a right, and I will fight for it!
Mar 28, 2006 10:07 pm Privacy is not a right, nor is marriage...you would be well served to not assume you know how I feel about anything.
There are people now trying to add marriage to the consitution to disallow gay marriage just liek there are people lobbying for privacy protection.
If you looked at history at all you would see MANY presidents took the same authority during wartime. I no longer will participate in this thread because it's one of those issues like abortion, capital punishment, etc, people feel how they feel and no amount of talk from you will change my mind and no amount of talk from me will change your mind, so it's just a waste of all of our time.
Mar 29, 2006 01:11 am Db -
Mar 29, 2006 09:50 am To elaborate on my opinions of "rights", so as not to be assumed:
- I have the "right" to an opportunity to earn a living, the "responsibility" to earn it as a productive member of society.
- I have the "right" to my opinion and to share it with the "responsibility" of respecting others right to the same.
- I have the "right" to protect my family and what's mine and the "responsibility" to do so as a husband, parent and citizen.
Everything else to me is a "privledge" of living in a free country...I think too many people think they have a "right" to everything with no thought as to the responsibilities they also carry and how fortunate they really are. We have become horribly spoiled.
Sorry, now I will stop, I just wanted to share, as I didn't like having my feeling assumed...
Mar 29, 2006 05:08 pm Does anyone actually think that the government has the resources to listen in on every single phone call or read every single piece of electronic/written communication? It's not like they're going to listen in unless they have a reason to, and I'm fine with listening in if there's a reason.
I guess that I don't really see what the concern is.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Mar 29, 2006 08:50 pm There sould be no concern at all. Unless you are into something you should not be. AS you stated, I 'm not sure even the government has the means to moniter every single PC and phone in this country. But even if they do, no big deal. Think of the chuckles when they listen in on some perverts phone sex conversation.
Since: Apr 04, 2002
GeoffSM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic'sContributor
Mar 30, 2006 06:58 am very well put noize. I know a little bit about right, privicy and all becuase unlike most americans , i have rights but they are "the LE version" , becuase I work for the government. I belive we (americans) have it good (for the most part) a whole lot better than most places. I disagree with a # of the issues with the presant administaton but what's new, we'll always have something to piss and moan about. I'm a peacful person but i am doing what i belive is my part and i support my country , I may not agree with certain plicies, and i do fight for freedom. Anyone want to disagree meet me In Iraq in September.
Since: Jun 20, 2002
Mar 30, 2006 11:33 am If they want to listen to my ordering pizzas go ahead. I do not understand why people feel like this is the end of the world. They are scanning calls for keywords like Bush, bomb, etc...
Since: Feb 10, 2006
This is a good thing people. If you're not a terrorist then one would think you dont have much to worry about.
Liberals make me laugh...they want peace and security but cant quite seem to grasp the common sense realistic nature of how to get it and maintain it.
Mar 30, 2006 01:19 pm i think the 'no liquor on sunday laws' are a DIRECT VIOLATION of seperation of church and state...
Jager on Sunday damnit!
Mar 30, 2006 05:49 pm It's not just the Government you need to worry about. It's giving UnGodly power to finicial institutions as well. I'm not doing anything I'm not suposed to be doing. But, a processing company should not be able to launch an investigation on me that rivals an F.B.I. probe just because I own and operate A.T.M's. The people who don't have a problem with the Patriot act are the people who haven't had to deal with yet (IMO). It's not just the Government listening in on your conversation, or looking at your email. It has the potential to put good honest hard working people out of business. The Constitution has served us pretty well, I don't think we should just throw it in the trash can. Furthermore, it won't end with The Patriot Act. You know as well as I do that the Government will keep inching further and further with it. 9/11 could have been and should have been prevented. I don't think The Patriot Act was the right answer.
At first I thought, if this is what needs to be done for us to be safe then so be it. Then I started reading it. Now I'm having to deal with it. I can see the other side of it. I understand that many people don't have a problem with it. That's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion..... at least until the Governments says your not anymore.
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