SONAR markers?

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Ok, I have a slight problem. I ahve a song that I am working on that I used "markers" in. I am doing two versions of thew song, with lyrics and one that is all instrumental. What I did was after recording the initial rhythm track for guitar, I went back adn put markers in showing where the chorus, solos and verses were all going to be since I had figured that out playing with the track. I had saved the track and when I just opened the song I was recording the solo instrumental parts and I noticed that my markers were gone. I am not sure how they are disappearing. At first I thought that the markers were locked onto a track, ie. I had the metrenome track that I recorded highlighted in the track view when I added the markers. I thought that maybe if I had a drum track highlighted when I added the markers that if I erased that track, boom, the markers were gone too. But I know I didn't erase any of the metrenome track because I never erase that, just mute it when I am done using it. (Make sense so far?) Now, I had saved different vesions of this song, one as a cwb(bundle) and another working version as a cwp(project). The project one, whcih I have been working in for the most part the markers are gone. In the bundle one the markers are still there. Now I see that there is a marker view, and I go to that in the project one and I don't see any markers. Do I just have them turned off somehow or are they really gone. If they really are gone, is there a way to copy the ones from the bundled save into this working one? I have done most al of the work in the project save and I need the markers to figure out where I originally had all my verses. I just did a good version of the solo instrumental and I need to go record my vocals. ANyways, I think noise was the expert, I can never remember for sure, but if you've had this problem and solutions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Marc (da Sharc)

Also, I went back to figure out some parts I did on the initial sol because they were some good parts and I wanted to slow it donw to figure out what it was I did, but I can't figure out how to do that. In the help section is says to go to transport and then select temp change. These are greyed out when I go to them. Is there another way to slow the whole recording down? Cheers.

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Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

May 19, 2002 05:40 pm

Yes, you can copy and paste the marker's from the project file into the bundle file. It sound's like you put the marker's on the project and then saved it as a bundle, which is really a new file and would not save the marker's to the original file.

If you want to slow the whole thing down, you will have to select the entire project, all track's, (highlite them) and then adjust the tempo down to your liking. Remember that if you want to keep it just save as and rename the file something like "jazzslowdown" and then you can go back for practice.

Let me know if this doesn't answer everything and I will get back to ya.

Member
Since: Apr 05, 2002

May 20, 2002 10:57 am

I got the markers into the file, thank you. Its kinda wierd that they disappear if you change the format its saved in though. I just thought it was two different ways of saving it. I do a lot of saves anytime I make a signifigant change, just in case I don't like it for some reason, so I bet that is what happened.
How do you go about slowing it down though after you select all the tracks? I did that, and the temp1,2,3 under transport are still not highlighted and if I manually change the temp setting, it looks like everything gets shortened, but the tempo is the same. I appreciate it. One day, probabaly when they redesign the whole program, I will figure out how to use half this stuff. I am starting on using automation next. Here is a question for you. If you had a certain section you wanted to add an effect to, lets say some heavy verb or something, but you didn't want it on the any other sections, would you use an envelope? If I understand it correctly, you can draw them around certain sections, but I'm not sure what you do to make the effect stick, I'll have to read it again, but would you use that feature or have the automation record the fact that you turned the effect on or off? Thanks for the help Noise.
Marc (da Sharc)

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

May 20, 2002 10:12 pm

OK, you need to do an insert tempo change. I forgot they changed it in Sonar. They had this in 9.0 also. Anyway, click on the insert tempo icon next to your tempo, it should bring up a snall menu. You want to make sure you have stretch audio selected. then set the tempo you would like and click ok. It will now change the tempo and stretch the audio. I will tell you that you may get a little goo when it does this. The sound will not be perfect. The process is meant to be used for single track's or very slight tempo change, not major slow down's. But I use it alot for some nasty effect's.

As far as the reverb on just a piece of a track, you can go several way's. If you want to just process a lone chunk of audio that is alone on the track, meaning not connected were you would want to fade the verb in. just select that chunk and tweak your verb till you like it, and then process it offline. Now when you play the track back, only the chunk you have processed will have the verb on it. This works OK even in the middle of a big chunk of audio, you just have to moderate with it. Otherwise, yes automation of the effect is preferred if you don't want an abbrupt jump of the effect in and out. Just set the verb for the effect you want and then patch it into a send/return slot, now set up to record the automation and fade it in and out when you would like. You can also draw the automation in for the track. Another choice is to copy the section you want to effect, and leave alittle extra at the beggining and the end, and paste it under the track you have. Now process the new part as you like, now draw in a crass fade from the old track to the new track at the beggining of the effected section, and then a cross fade out at the end. this give a softer transition to the effect and also a little bit of freedom to mess with the section you copied.

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Since: Apr 05, 2002

May 21, 2002 12:41 am

Whew, I got so much to learn in SONAR. Thanks for the help though. I didn't even really remember that I could just copy it and crossfade it. Good idea. Probably easier too. I haven't played at all with crossfades and such, and I really need to as I am sure that I could do some cool stuff if I ever learned how to take advantage of half that stuff. I've been tryign to KISS(Keep It Simple Stupid) with most of my stuff, so its mainly just recording what I want and then recording another and so forth. Thank you. The only thing I can really see myself using the tempo thing for is to figure out solo parts. I played what I thought was a great lead/solo part but it was off the cuff, adn when I went back I was having a hard time figuring out what it was that I did. Anyways, too much to learn. Gotta put in some software time. Later.
Marc (da Sharc)

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

May 22, 2002 10:50 pm

Kool, KISS is a good rule, but remember you can still step out of the boundrie's on occasion. Sonar is getting a lot deeper then it used to be when it was just CakeWalk, but it is still one of the easiest app's to learn. You can move as far in as you like or stay on the outer limit's and wait till you are ready. By all mean's ask when you need to, that is why we are here.

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